If you Could Be There..."

From: Steve Haas
I'm wondering what people would do if given a choice to be at Gettysburg for one event. That is, if given the opportunity to go back in time to witness one event at Gettysburg, what would be your choice? To you, of all the salient points at Gettysburg, what would be the ONE event that you would like to see....

For me it would be the meeting between Lee and Longstreet the morning of the Second day, when they were planning the attack on the second day. I'd love to know just what their perceptions were, just exactly went on...what they thought they were trying to do...what they really hoped to accomplish.

Stephen Haas


From: Susan & Eric Wittenberg
Steve:

Way cool question...FOr me there is no other possibility than to be in the cupola with John Buford. It just couldn't get any cooler than that for me.

I hope others pick up on this thread, because the possibilities are endless.

Eric Wittenberg


From: Mike VanHuss
Hi Steve:

What a way cool question...For me there is only one place to be...That's with Capt Dilger's Battery I, 1st Ohio Light on the 11th Corp line on July 1. Did he really spike that gun? So many questions about that perormance come to mind.

Mike VanHuss


Willowreed@aol.com says:

for me, would like to witness what really happened during the 2nd day..
albeit from a safe distance, out of harm's way..
(as if there were any such spots )

:D


From: "John A. Leo"

Steve,

I'd go back to Ward's Brigade and force them to entrench. I'd tell Ellis of the 124th NY NOT to charge three times into the triangular pen, but to entrench and defend.
Since this is all in the same day, I'd like to give Sickles some drug to knock him out for 12 hours! Then I'd make arrangements for him to get some serious councelling!
For sheer drama, I too like the Longstreet - Lee conversations, but how about Lee and Jeb, upon Stuart's arrival. The Marble mand and the Prodical Son - gives me shivers. If time permitted, I'd like to mosey over to that Vincent fellow's brigade and those boys from Maine.
For sheer spectical, THE cannonade and Longstreet's second assault.

John Leo


From: GaTechFan@aol.com
I'd like to be with General Armistead during Pickett's Charge. Of all the places at Gettysburg, the marker where he fell is, to me, the most memorable.

Pat


From: acameron@tcac.com (Bill Cameron)
Hi Steve,

Why, I'd be on Little Round Top with the signal officers of course. I'm not sure I could just watch them though. I'd want to make sure that the headquarters knew about Longstreet. There wouldn't need to be any shots fired from Smith. I'd move the tactical telegraph to the field and deploy it to the corps like it should have been. I'd get those signal boy organized by gum. If I had a second choice, I'd join Jerome and Buford in the Seminary cupola but with Eric up there, it'd be crowded. :)

Bill


From: kgm@rci.rutgers.edu (Ken Miller)
Steve

You get the award for the most fun question of the week:

I would be with Longstreet, Johnston, and McLaws on the early PM of the second day:the march down along March Creek past Black Horse Tavern:
I would love to be a fly on the wall when the decision was made to countermarch.

Why didn't they follow Alexander's tracks?

Why did Pete allow McLaw to maintain the lead?

BTW, this sounds like a nice safe place to make sure that I made it back...

Ken Miller


From: Sultron@aol.com
Pat (GaTechFan) said:
I'd like to be with General Armistead during Pickett's Charge. >Of all the places at Gettysburg, the marker where he fell is, to me, the most memorable.

I'm with ya, Pat! I'd either follow General Armistead, or I'd like to be with General Longstreet in the Peach Orchard on the 2nd.

Sultron (Pete)


From: Chance93@aol.com
Does a non-event count? The July 1 meeting between Lee, Ewell, Rodes, and Early...preferably before the last-named arrived!

Lynn


From: Jeff Hubbard
I would choose just below Culp's Hill on the afternoon-evening of July 1. I would love to see the meeting where the decision was made NOT to move up the slope. If I had the guts, I'd slap 'ole Ewell around a few times and tell him nobody's up there! :) Actually, it wouldn't hurt if Lee himself was there to "assure" Ewell that the advance would indeed succeed. But we all know how Lee worked with his subordinates!

Jeff


From: sholarm@TEN-NASH.TEN.K12.TN.US
I would loved to have been with the Artillery on the third day, out in the middle of the field in order to watch the advance. I would have dropped the muzzles of those cannon about four inches and given that rock wall area a real bad time.

Ray


From: acameron@tcac.com (Bill Cameron)
Hi Ray,
Now we're into detail! I wonder what a drop of 4 inches in elevation would have done to the trajectory. Anyone have the background to compute it? At that distance, my guess is that it would tear up dirt just past the Emmitsburg Road. I vote for about an inch or maybe two. There's got to be a gun bunny out there somewhere.

Bill


From: sholarm@TEN-NASH.TEN.K12.TN.US
Hi Bill,
Just judging by windage and elevation :-) Since most of the shells went over the hill I was anticipating hitting the rock wall. I will take the inch though and run with it.

Ray


From: jeff1863@postoffice.ptd.net (Jeff Jefferson)
To be in camp the evening of July 2nd, with Pickett's Division and Longstreet, to see how Lo really felt about the next days charge. Just to prove to myself that Lo was not standing around crying about "ole Winnie", as the movie portrayed.

Marlyn "Jeff" Jefferson


From: Martjim@aol.com
hello group

if i had my "druthers", i'd be with the 69th PA up on the ridge near the clump of trees witnessing the 'tidal wave' come up the slope on July 3...it must have been a scary and impressive sight.

jim martin


Subject: If you could be there... -Reply

Steve,

Great question...I think I would have liked to have been with Barksdale's Brigade when Longstreet finally turned them loose. It must have been pandemonium!!

Steve Hanzelman


Subject: Re: If you could be there...

Iwould have wanted to be with Gamble on the morning of July 1. To see Heth and the boys marching down the road towards Gettysburg would have been an awesome sight.

David (llDdd@aol.com)


From: gwjchris@ix.netcom.com (Bill and Glenna Christen)
Subject: Re: If you could be there...

The evening sunset from from Seminary Ridge on the night before the battle.

Bill Christen


From: CSVZ07A@prodigy.com ( TERRY MOYER)
Subject: Re: If you could be there...

The evening sunset from from Seminary Ridge on the night before the battle.?

But... but... Why????

Terry Moyer


From: gwjchris@ix.netcom.com (Bill and Glenna Christen)
I assumed we could not change what was to happen. I thought it would be interesting to see the same sunset that John Buford's and Harry Heth's men saw before the dust, and smoke, and killing...if I could change anything, it would be over on Baltimore Street at Virginia Wade's house...any other alteration that one person could do might not have changed the end result that much with thousands of actors on the stage.

This is one of the best questions asked on the list.

Bill Christen


From: jeff beckner
This is probably begging the question, but I'd pass on the butchering and come back a few months later for those few appropriate remarks.


From: jlucas@dss.ca.gov (James C. Lucas)
My first post, folks...

I would have liked to go along on the recon by the engineer officer that got Ole Pete off on the wrong foot...

Jim Lucas


From: Victor Vernon
For me the one event I would like to be at would be the Cemetary Dedication. I would like to hear Lincoln give his speach first hand.

Vic


From: Steve Haas
Steve Hanzelman says:

Steve,

Great question...I think I would have liked to have been with Barksdale's Brigade when Longstreet finally turned them loose. It must have been pandemonium!!

Steve Hanzelman

or with the Louisiana Tigers on the night attack of July 2nd...

Stephen Haas


From: John Kelly
Greetings all;

I would stay up all night to be with Captain Johnston on his recon. WHERE DID HE GO???!!! To paraphrase a famous WWII message: "All the world wants to know."

This might even get some of the monkeys off Old Pete's back.

Regards,
Jack Kelly


From: Steven Cassel
I would be toe to toe with the Iron Brigade, especially the men of the 19th Indiana; from my home -- Muncie in Delaware Co.

Steve Cassel


From: longstre@kaley.net
I would love to be there for the first meeting, at the end of day three, between General Lee and General Longstreet......

Robin


From: Paula Gidjunis <75613.1751@compuserve.com>
. . .

Ok Steve, guess where I would want to be???

Paula Gidjunis


From: Susan & Eric Wittenberg
Subject: where would I want to be?

Here's a second choice: I would love to be at the meeting between Buford and Reynolds on the morning of JUly 1. I would love to know exactly where it happened, what was said, and whether the Jerome account really is accurate. Maybe then, we'd know what "the devil's to pay" really means....

Eric Wittenberg


From: DPowell334@aol.com
In a message dated 96-05-13 20:00:56 EDT, you write:

I would be toe to toe with the Iron Brigade, especially the men of the 19th Indiana; from my home -- Muncie in Delaware Co.

Steve Cassel

Ouch. Brave men, but hard-used. I would try and find your body afterwords...

Dave Powell


From: curlew@cts.com (David Clark)
Steve;

Great question! I'm afraid I would have to stand behind that low stone wall and watch as high tide of the Confederacy advanced under it's crimson banners to meet their tragic destiny. I'd love to make that march with them, but I'm just not that brave.

My wife, Diane, says she would like to be on Little Round Top with Chamberlain and the boys from Maine.

David Clark


FDate: Tue, 14 May 1996 07:37:58 -0500 (EST)
Good Day All,

If I could be there, I would choose the following:

1.) With the sharpshooter who kills General Reynolds, and then stay wih him to see what happens to him.

2.) Anywhere with General Hancock on any of the three days.

3.) With the Confederates soldiers waiting to step off on Picketts charge.

I had a hard time narrowing it to one choice, so any of the three would suit me fine.

Regards,
Jeff


Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:55:40 GMT
Paula Gidjunis <75613.1751@compuserve.com> says:

Ok Steve, guess where I would want to be???

Paula Gidjunis

Actually, this might be my second choice...would love to see the famous bayonet charge..would love to see Chamberlain in his full battle ardor...

Stephen Haas


From: Paula Gidjunis <75613.1751@compuserve.com>

Gee Steve, you guessed right?? What a surprise!!

Now my second choice would be when Hancock arrived at GB! I love to see organization come out of chaos! Plus I would like to have seen that nice clean white shirt in the middle of battle . . . or is it the blue language - whatever!!!

Paula


From: "Jim C. Studnicki"
I think I'd have to be either with Captain Smith so I could tell him to pull his guns earlier and fall back, or with Cushing's battery to get a ringside seat of the 3rd day cannonade (and to tell you guys if 4 inches or 1 inch would make a difference).

Jim C. Studnicki


From: SELieberum@mail.biosis.org
If I could be there,

I would have like to be with Jeb and he rode his way to Gettysburg.

I would love to see his state of mind after Brandy Station.

Steve Lieberum


From: "timothy allen goodling @ deirdre marie buffington" Martjim@aol.com wrote:

Martjim@aol.com says:

hello group

if i had my "druthers", i'd be with the 69th PA up on the ridge near the clump of trees witnessing the 'tidal wave' come up the slope on July 3...it must have been a scary and impressive sight.

jim martin

>>>>>(coming from an ole' pennsylvania boy,) it was...


From: piersonj@alpha.montclair.edu
Greeting All,

If I could be somewhere during the Civil War it would have to be at Gettysburg on July 3, 1863 watching Pickett's charge with General James Longstreet or with Joshua Chamerblain.


> From: Gordon Stark
...

Hello Everyone,
Kristi here. That is the coolest question. I'd never really thought about it before, but since you asked... I would be on LRT with the 20th Maine. Yeah, it sounds typical, but it is my ultimate favorite part of the battle. A few years ago I had a frightening recurring dream about falling through a time porthole and landing on LRT right before the 20th went into action. Well, let's just say, I scared the living bejesus out of them!! It was scary because I kept having it, and every time I did, a little bit more was added. Eventually I ended up getting a gun and fighting alongside with them even though I was a girl and was wearing really weird clothes. It was the most exciting but scary set of dreams I've ever had. Have any of you ever had dreams like mine?

--Kristi--


From: Bryan R Meyer
...

Hello everyone:

If I could have been there, well, I would have chosen to follow Brig. Gen. Lewis Armistead during Pickett's Charge. Although I would have been very frightful as the bullets passed by my head and artillery shells bursting around me, I would like to have witnessed the only penetration during that charge. Just to watch the steadfast soldiers follow Armistead in a final shred of hope for victory would have been something remarkable to witness.

Bryan R. Meyer


From: "John A. Leo"
Subject: Re: If you could be there...

At 06:56 PM 5/14/96 -0400, you wrote:

Hello Everyone,
Kristi here. That is the coolest question. I'd never really thought about it before, but since you asked... I would be on LRT with the 20th Maine. Yeah, it sounds typical, but it is my ultimate favorite part of the battle. A few years ago I had a frightening recurring dream about falling through a time porthole and landing on LRT right before the 20th went into action. Well, let's just say, I scared the living bejesus out of them!! It was scary because I kept having it, and every time I did, a little bit more was added. Eventually I ended up getting a gun and fighting alongside with them even though I was a girl and was wearing really weird clothes. It was the most exciting but scary set of dreams I've ever had. Have any of you ever had dreams like mine?

--Kristi--

HEY,
Didn't Porter Farley mention something like this towards the back? John Leo


From: Victor Vernon
Subject: Re: If you could be there...

Bryan R Meyer wrote:

I would like to have witnessed the only penetration during that charge.

I think if you check you will find the 26th(?) North Carolina advanced farther than Armistead.

Vic


Likewise many of Archer's (Fry) Brigade of Tennesseans and Alabamians.


From: DPowell334@aol.com
In a message dated 96-05-14 19:30:45 EDT, Vic writes:

I think if you check you will find the 26th(?) North Carolina advanced farther than Armistead.

Vic

True in absolute terms, measured in furthest distance east. However, the 26th had much less success in penetrating the Union line. Remember, the portion of the line Armistead crossed was something like 100 yards further west than the line occupied by Arnold's Battery and Smyth's Brigade. In any case, I've always thought that such comparisons were moot - both commands made far greater sacrifices than mortal flesh could be expected of, details aside. My hat has always been off to both...

Dave Powell


> From: Victor Vernon
Dave:

I agree, if you re-read my post you will find it was an answer to a comment that Armistead was the only one to breach the Union line. a statement that totally ingnores the contribution of the North Carolinians (and the Tenneseans). To plagurize Mr. Lincoln there was enough glory for all.

Vic


From: Martjim@aol.com
From: "Daniel C. Emerson"
Notwithstanding Vic's interposition of the classic time travel paradox (i.e., will the "present" be altered if we travel into the past and do, well, anything), I think that (using his example) it is fairly safe to say that if I went back and told Marse Robert on July 1 that the July 3 charge would fail, he would ignore me...heck, if he wouldn't listen to Ol' Pete, why would he listen to some obviously demented yankee in funny clothes. This thread is too much fun for reality to set in.
How 'bout being in a silent, non-intrusive helicopter (pardon the oxymoron), surveying the entire field on all three days? Actually, just Kevlar would probably make any of these fantasies more fun.


From: William_Howard@prodigy.com (MR WILLIAM R HOWARD JR)
It looks like Eric Wittenberg beat me to the cupola with Buford, and he's hanging out to see what Buford and Reynolds had to say (Buford replied, "The devil's to pay"; "Hell's to pay" just doesn't have the ring and cadence of the way Buford wrote, and reportedly spoke. It's not that I would imagine Buford would shy away from profanity... not if he's like any other member of the family. )

I'd like to be at Buford's staff meeting on June 30th. According to Lt. Aaron Jerome, Devin claimed that his brigade could hold the rebels at bay, prompting Buford to reply, "No you won't. They will attack in the morning and they will come booming--skirmishers three deep. You will have to fight like the devil to hold your own until supports arrive." I would then go with the 8th Illinois out Cashtown road and wait for Harry Heth.

-William Howard


From: "James Connor" msn.com>
Greetings, All!

Although a certain degree of sentimentality would argue in favor of accompanying Lewis Armistead on Day 3, June 30 - July 1 with Jno. Buford would be my first choice. Besides, during the slack periods I could argue with Eric about states' rights and the 10th Amendment (what do you expect from a couple of lawyers). By the way, why doesn't anyone want to go shopping with Harry Heth? :^)

Jim Connor


From: "Charles P. Wright" m> Even though this sounds tacky, I would really like to be at the climax during Picketts charge with the Virginia men, and see their heroic act firsthand.

Chip Wright


From: DTCLEM@aol.com
I think I'd mosey along with Alexander Gardner just so I could come back and be Frass's (excuse the familiarity--we haven't met) co-author!:-)

Dennis Clemente


Date: Thu, 16 May 1996 21:44:50 -0400
From: Nancy Robinson

There are plenty of places I'd like to have been... 2. Anywhere Buford, Hancock, Longstreet, Lee and JLC were
But - one place that no one else has mentioned that would be quite the adventure would be with the citizens of Gettysburg while their town was in such turmoil.

See you all in a couple weeks or so.....

Nancy


From: dcl4628@ritvax.isc.rit.edu (Daniel Lane
I would have to be at Gettysburg with Brady and Gardner and Co. during the aftermath as they recorded and created the visual history we see today.

Dan


From: MBRADLEY@MSCC.CC.TN.US
I would be with Ewell on the evening of the first day. We would occupy that dad-blamed hill with the graveyard on it.


From: "Doug Cubbison"
I'm new to the group, but I have been impressed with the level of knowledge and quality of discussion that I've seen over the past week.

If I could be anywhere at Gettysburg, I would choose the extreme right of the 12th Corps line on Culp's Hill on the evening of July 2nd. I would like to see George S. Greene's New York Brigade hold the Union flank, outnumbered and outflanked, in that twilight battle. The 137th New York Infantry also had a bayonet charge to secure their position, after dark. The glittering bayonets driving forward into the darkness, with muzzle flashes reflecting, must have been an awesome sight.

Doug Cubbison


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From: lawrence (Dennis Lawrence)
Greetings,

I would like to be at the Wills' house November 18 when Abe arrived, eat dinner and listen to the crowds serenade him and Seward by torchlight. I would like to follow Abe over to the Harper house and help Seward hone that big address for the next day. Maybe I could add a couple of catchy phrases.

Then I would catch up with Nicolay and Hay as they bar hopped around the town and endear myself to the locals - maybe wake up Carrie Sheads and talk about that sword deal.

Returning to the Wills house, I would to kick William Saunders off the sofa, and lie awake listening to Edward Everett snore and waiting for the crash when the bed with Everett's daughter and two other women collapses in the middle of the night.

Then, of course I would be up early, to see if Abe toured the field and most importantly I would be standing camera ready in front of the podium when he rose to speak.

Dennis


From: "Heather Peake"
I wouldn't mind being up on the hill with the 20th Maine, but it's getting a little crowded....Nor would I mind being with Longstreet at any point between June 29 and July 7 to see what *really* went down with him and Big Robert...but I'm willing to give up that seat to whoever else wants it (interested, Robin?). When all else fails, stick with the home team: I'd want to be with Stannard's Vermont Brigade at Pickett's Charge. Even Coddington says that's an under- studied aspect of the Charge.

Heather


From: Norman Levitt
p> With Cushing's guns at the angle. Keeping my head down, of course.

Norm Levitt


From: HendrBR
...

My nomination for question of the year. It has been fun reading all the different answers... time to add my comments...

I would have liked to have been a fly on the ear of Longstreet's horse on the afternoon of July 2d to overhear the conversations between him and Hood.

Modern day... I would have like to have been sitting on a log by a camp fire on the night after the filming of the Pickett's Charge scenes of the Movie to hear the stories told by the reenactors from both sides and ask, what did it feel like....

Barry